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[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 12:54

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[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 13:12

quote:
ruli schreef:
Nu kopen wat je kopen kunt bbert en niet zo zaniken, tenzij je zelf ook een (juiste)voorspelling doet.
De stallen worden eindelijk uitgemest, dus sla eindelijk je slag(je)!

Je kunt je geld ook aan mij geven, heeft er tenminste nog iemand plezier van.. ;)

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 14:13

De huizen blijven staan hoor..

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 15:24

Freddie en Fannie blijven in elk geval tot 2010 bestaan, en hoogstwaarschijnlijk langer.
Zij worden geruggesteund door de Staat.
Als deze twee kopje onder zouden gaan zal het hele financiele systeem in elkaar sodemieteren.
Waarom begrijpen mensen dit niet?
Het zijn gewoon koopjes.
Ruli koopt bij!

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 15:32

Hoi ruli
Jij moet wel een meester zijn die dit door heeft
Wat een kans wat een koopje,Dat niemand dit door heeft ?
Je kan een heel bedrijf kopen voor zo beetje 0,46 dollar cent

Slik jij bent bikkelhard zo je centjes te verbranden
Ik zal het toch maar eens uitpluizen ruli

Lol

quote:
ruli schreef:
Freddie en Fannie blijven in elk geval tot 2010 bestaan, en hoogstwaarschijnlijk langer.
Zij worden geruggesteund door de Staat.
Als deze twee kopje onder zouden gaan zal het hele financiele systeem in elkaar sodemieteren.
Waarom begrijpen mensen dit niet?
Het zijn gewoon koopjes.
Ruli koopt bij!

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 16:06

I see a lot of people spreading false rumors about each shares worth
only $.00001. Eitehr these individuals didn't bother reading the
entire content or fail college algebra miserably.
The link where to the warrant can be found here:
www.treas.gov/press/releases/reports/...
On page 4, section 2.2 it explains precisly how the warrant is to be
exercised. In a nutshell all the warrant means is the government has a
right to buy 79.9% of total shares outstanding with a .00001 discount.
As I type this the share price sits at about .73 so I will use the
formula as if the government were using the warrant right now.
The formula is as follows: X= Y(A-B)/A
A= Market Price of share at the time of exercise (.75 right now)
B= Exercise price of warrant (.00001)
Y= Number of shares to be purchased (1.07 B shares outstanding, that
means FNM would issue 854,930,000 new shares to give the fed a 79.9%
control on the company.)
X= the number of shares to be purchased by warrant
so breaking it down X = (854,930,000) x (.73-.0001) / (.73)
X= 854,918,288.63 shares purchased at .72999 = $624,081,801.52, so the
government will still have justify to the american taxpayer why they
are paying 624 million dollars for a company, and thats if the stock
stays the same price as it is right now, god forbid it goes up. The
only thing this warrant does is give the Fed the ability to legally
step and buy the company at a .00001 per share discount so they can
break it up and sell it if things got bad.
In case you missed any of it, the warrant expires September 7, 2028.
Who knows maybe the next administration will void the warrant. They
way I see it, Fannie has enough cushion to last 4 quarters assuming
the housing and job market will recover.

Updates with additional details.)
WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. President George W. Bush will make
remarks on financial markets at 11:10 a.m. EDT (1510 GMT), the White
House said Monday.
Bush's comments will come at the top of a joint appearance at the
White House with Ghanian President John Kufuor.
The president isn't expected to take questions from reporters
following his comments, which will be his first since a series of
events over the weekend radically altered the Wall Street landscape.
A White House spokesman said Sunday that Bush was in touch with his
advisors about the rapidly-moving situation on Wall Street.
"The president and his staff stay in close and frequent contact with
Treasury Secretary (Henry) Paulson and other senior economic officials
on all pressing financial market issues," spokesman Tony Fratto said
Sunday.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEH) filed for bankruptcy protection
early Monday, and Merrill Lynch & Co. (MER) agreed to be sold to Bank
of America Corp. (BAC), moves that shook the U.S. financial system and
have already spread from the financial sector to other markets.
At the same time, the Federal Reserve unveiled fresh steps to help
stabilize financial markets and make it easier for banks to gain
access to emergency credit. U.S. The Securities Exchange Commission
and Commodity Futures Trading Commission said they are working to help
ensure that Lehman's customers won't be adversely affected by the
investment firm's challenges.
Unlike this month's takeover of Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE)
and the sale of Bear Stearns Cos. to J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (JPM) in
March, the federal government refused to back potential buyers of
Lehman, quashing any hopes for a sale on Sunday.
The news sent stock futures sharply lower Monday, as investors
prepared for a rocky day of trading.
The provide a buffer against Lehman's collapse, a consortium of 10
commercial and investment banks said they would provide $70 billion to
establish a new "collateralized borrowing facility." Bank of America,
Barclays (BCS), Citibank (C), Credit Suisse (CS), Deutsche Bank (DB),
Goldman Sachs (GS), JPMorgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley
(MS), and UBS (UBS), all agreed to participate.
The crisis on Wall Street comes as the White House also is focusing on
the recovery from last week's devastating Hurricane Ike and its impact
on the energy sector.
Bush will receive an update Monday morning on the government's
response to Ike and its effort to provide relief to storm-battered
Texas. Following the update, which begins at 11:35 a.m. EDT, Bush will
make another set of remarks to reporters.
The White House said Paulson will participate in the daily White House
briefing at 1:30 p.m. EDT.
The situation on Wall Street and in Texas will dominate a day the
White House had planned to focus on Kufour and U.S. relations with
Ghana. Bush welcomed Kufour to the White House in an elaborate
ceremony on South Lawn early Monday. In short comments, he didn't
refer the storm or the woes of the financial markets.
-By Henry J. Pulizzi, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-9256;
henry.puli...@dowjones.com
Click here to go to Dow Jones NewsPlus, a web front page of today's
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[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 16:15

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[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 16:48

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NEW YORK, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Freddie Mac's (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) $4 billion three-part bill sale on Monday drew mixed demand and interest rates compared with the most recent sales of the same maturities.

Demand for the three- and six-month bills fell from auctions of the same maturities a week ago. Demand rose for the 12-month bills compared with the most recent sale of this maturity a month ago, which was prior to the government's takeover of the company.

Freddie Mac sold $1 billion of three-month bills due Dec. 15, 2008 at a 2.100 percent rate, the same rate for $1 billion of the same maturity bills sold on Sept. 8.

Freddie Mac sold $2 billion of six-month bills due March 16, 2009 at a 2.350 percent rate, also the same rate as the $1 billion sale of the same maturity last week.

The $1 billion 12-month bills sold at a 2.650 percent rate, compared with a 2.940 rate in the 12-month sale in Aug. 18.

Demand for the three-month bills was lower than a week earlier, based on a bid-to-cover ratio of 2.98 compared with 4.03.

Demand for the six-month bills was also lower than a week earlier, based on a bid-to-cover ratio of 1.64 compared with 3.70.

Demand for the 12-month bills was higher than in the August sale, based on a bid-to-cover ratio of 2.16 compared with 1.75. (Reporting by Rodrigo Campos; Editing by James Dalgleish)

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 17:41

Beleggen is wel hard werken zeg, wel heel veel geld verdiend met bankies shorten vanaf hedenochtend..

NEW YORK, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said on Monday it plans to sell $1 billion of three-month benchmark bills due Dec. 17, 2008, and $1 billion of six-month bills due March 18, 2009, on Wednesday, Sept. 17 in a Dutch auction.

In such uniform price auctions, successful bidders pay only the price of the lowest accepted bid rather than the actual price as in a conventional multiple-price auction.

Bids will be accepted from authorized dealers from 9:00 a.m. (1300 GMT), until 9:45 a.m. (1345 GMT).

Settlement is Sept. 17-18.

free money 15 september 2008 17:45

quote:
ruli schreef:
Beleggen is wel hard werken zeg, wel heel veel geld verdiend met bankies shorten vanaf hedenochtend..

NEW YORK, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said on Monday it plans to sell $1 billion of three-month benchmark bills due Dec. 17, 2008, and $1 billion of six-month bills due March 18, 2009, on Wednesday, Sept. 17 in a Dutch auction.

In such uniform price auctions, successful bidders pay only the price of the lowest accepted bid rather than the actual price as in a conventional multiple-price auction.

Bids will be accepted from authorized dealers from 9:00 a.m. (1300 GMT), until 9:45 a.m. (1345 GMT).

Settlement is Sept. 17-18.

hahahaaaa
mag ik effe overgeve

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 19:05

hoi ruli
het is allemaal nogal duister de toekomst van deze bedrijven

Maar hun toekomst zal mede afhangen van het resultaat van de presidentsverkiezingen. De Republikein John McCain zal een privatisering proberen door te drukken, terwijl de Democraat Barack Obama zal opteren voor een publieke instelling of een publiekprivate status.’

www.fd.nl/artikel/10077508/redding-fa...

[verwijderd] 15 september 2008 21:38

WASHINGTON, Sept 15 (Reuters) - The Senate Banking Committee has postponed a hearing Tuesday on mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae (FNM.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), two sources familiar with the situation said on Monday.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson was scheduled to testify at the hearing to discuss the U.S. government's massive takeover of the government-sponsored entities.

A new date has not yet been scheduled, the sources said.

(Reporting by John Poirier, Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)

[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 18:36

www.businessweek.com/investor/content...

[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 19:09

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[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 20:15

Ik heb nu weer via ping pongen uitsluitend Fannies

Citigroup values FNM according to this formula:
1. 10x 2010 EPS of 2.85 = $28.50 (Intrinsic Value of 1 Share)
2. They assume a full dilution of 79.9% of outstanding common shares,
which makes current shares only worth 55.6% of their prior value =
$15.85
3. They assume that there is only a small (2%) probability that FNM
will remain shareholder owned after emerging from the conservatorship.
2% of $15.85 = current target of $0.32.
With that logic, one could stand to reason that if the probability of
shareholder ownership surviving increased to say 25%, even with full
dilution, Citigroup would value this at $3.96 (15.85*.25). Without
full dilution, and with a greater probability of survivorship, the
target could be even higher

Zo denk ik er ook over en ik ga uit van een overwinning voor John Wishbone:

If Obama wins, he'll socialize it. He's a Marxist, very extreme left
wing, just like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez. Those nutjobs socialize
everything, enslaving everyone, spreading misery everywhere. Whether
the communists/socialists will reimburse anyone, is very doubtful.
Communists/socialists are very, very good at lying and stealing. (And
murdering, by the way.)
If McCain wins, Fannie will emerge in a private, shareholder-owned
form. Maybe split up, maybe not. But that will represent a _much_
greater value, than the current price of 50 cents.

[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 20:57

quote:
ruli schreef:
Enorme partij Freddies zojuist ingeslagen op 0,47 ct, dit wordt mi de speculatie van de eeuw...het aandeel kan niet kapot, garantie van Paulson loopt tot min 2009..

Het is puur gokgeld wat ik inzet en het is wel erg leuk traden met Fannie en Freddie...beter dan steeds opnieuw allerlei mensen de huid volschelden op IEX nietwaar..?

~~ 0,28 ~~ sukkelaar

[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 21:03

En weer terug in Freddie, met steeds meer aandelen voor hetzelfde geld..ping ping komt later wel.

www.marketwatch.com/news/story/amidst...

Het is nu echt wel afgelopen met de staatssteun voor noodlijdende bankies..
Maar d aarom vind ik Fannie en Freddie net als CITIbank zo buitengwoon interssant...die tenten wordt nieuw leven ingeblazen, wat ik je brom..nu inderdaad voor weggeefprijssies.

[verwijderd] 16 september 2008 21:50

~~ 0.26 ~~ en meneer Ruli blijft maar bijkopen hahaha(al vanaf 0,47!)

[verwijderd] 17 september 2008 09:21

Ik heb heel duidelijk aangegeven dat het hier een rutsjbaantje betreft.
Het gaat mij hierbij voorlopig niet zozeer om de panicprijs van de stocks, maar om mijn hoeveelheid aandeeltjes door steeds mee te bewegen zo veel mogelijk te maximaliseren..
Of dit dom is staat nog te bezien..

[verwijderd] 17 september 2008 09:25

quote:
ruli schreef:
Ik heb heel duidelijk aangegeven dat het hier een rutsjbaantje betreft.
Het gaat mij hierbij voorlopig niet zozeer om de panicprijs van de stocks, maar om mijn hoeveelheid aandeeltjes door steeds mee te bewegen zo veel mogelijk te maximaliseren..
Of dit dom is staat nog te bezien..

Ruli,

Zit er ook aan te denken om speculatief wat aandelen freddie of fannie op te pakken. Krijg namelijk een dejavu met een Nederlandse IT-bedrijf. Natuurlijk een LT investering. Garantie van de FED is er. Omvallen doen ze niet meer. Wel ben ik benieuwd of de FED de beursnoteringen ineens kan stoppen?

gr

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