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kck schreef:

Bonzai,be greedy when others are fearfull.
Jaja..waar hebben we dat meer gehoord?
Vind het wel grappig te horen dat velen toch liever voor US ($ of fds)kiezen.

Maken we/deze generatie niet meer mee denk ik, maar zou zomaar kunnen. Ik kijk graag heel erg vooruit, decennia zelfs...;)
Zou de collapse van the European/US empire zijn ingezet?
Roman, Habsburg, British..next?

Belgie, zelf zo fragiel, moet zelf geld lenen om de Grieken te steunen. Raar systeem waar we inzitten.

Czn.

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Cézan schreef:

Vind het wel grappig te horen dat velen toch liever voor US ($ of fds)kiezen.

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Bekeek dat laatst toevallig.Ben voor 70% buiten de euro belegd.
CAD,CHF,DKR,USD,RUPEE!!!,Pound etc.
RD behaalt bv slechts 30% van omzet/winst in euroland.
Wat betreft vooruitzichten dit jaar lijkt 2010 nog wel op 2004.Verschil dat er nu in April een hogere top in de aex werd gezet.
De CAC is NB op het nivo van juni 2009 aangeland,de neklijn van het OKS patroon.

kck

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Raar systeem waar we inzitten.

Een stuk minder raar dan toen de Rothchilds en de Lombards nog de scepter zwaaiden.Nu zwaait Nomura ook mede.
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Que spectaculo!

In ene alles ploes,alleen MT kiet.

Nog wat bijgedaan(ABB,Roche,RD),maar ook wat shputs rd teruggekocht(margin),130% belegd.

Psaw,kck
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Klaas,

Ik denk dat ik nog nooit in mijn lange leven ( toch ruim 35 jaar beleggingen) op één enkele dag aan politici zoveel te danken heb.....

Cac - 40 zelfs bijna tien procent....

Nu maar hopen dat de boel standhoudt.

Peter

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ffff schreef:

Klaas,

Ik denk dat ik nog nooit in mijn lange leven ( toch ruim 35 jaar beleggingen) op één enkele dag aan politici zoveel te danken heb.....

Nu nog proberen op eigen (TA/FA ?) benen te staan Peter .:-)
Mvg Peerke
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ffff schreef:

op één enkele dag aan politici zoveel te danken heb.....


Behoorde jij niet tot het kamp dat steevast riep dat politici geen invloed hadden op de AEX?
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ffff schreef:

Klaas,

Ik denk dat ik nog nooit in mijn lange leven ( toch ruim 35 jaar beleggingen) op één enkele dag aan politici zoveel te danken heb.....

Cac - 40 zelfs bijna tien procent....

Nu maar hopen dat de boel standhoudt.

Peter


Kun je nagaan hoe ernstig de situatie is. Het is denk ik een valse opleving (short covering?). Door gewoon een blik geld open te trekken vul je het ene gat met het andere gat. Het is ook geen briljante oplossing. Gewoon brute kracht dat even in een weekend wordt bedacht. Geweldig, wat een brain power: jongens we hebben weer een potje met geld gevonden. Goed he? Is dat een langdurige opleving waard? We zullen zien. Ik geloof er niets van!
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SHOWMETHEMONEY!! schreef:

Is dat een langdurige opleving waard?
Zou zo maar kunnen; in de VS heeft het wel geholpen. Als de economieën nou een beetje veerkracht tonen, gaat het goed; de eerste tekenen zijn er al. En in dat geval kost deze garantieregeling ons en onze buren dus geen cent.
Nou een beetje discipline bij die zwakke landen afdwingen.
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david bohm schreef:

Hola que fuerte no, madre mia.
Vraag niet hoe het kan, maar profiteer ervan.
Wanneer niets zeker is, is niks onmogelijk.
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Cézan schreef:

Ik kijk graag heel erg vooruit, decennia zelfs...;)
Over enkele millenia ligt NL onder een dik pak ijs.
De bevolking zocht een heenkomen naar mediterrane landen.
(---;

Alora,kck
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Teun draait:

“We take advantage of the recent weakness in equities to go from underweight to overweight,” London-based strategist Teun Draaisma wrote in a report to clients today. “We think we are in a cyclical bull market for equities, because we are optimistic on earnings growth, driven by emerging markets, U.S. and corporates.”

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601...

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Een andere kijk...die man heeft wel een punt.
Wat zei ik ...het verval...:)
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Europe is unprepared for austerity
By Gideon Rachman

Published: May 10 2010 20:13 | Last updated: May 10 2010 20:13

Most of the European Union is living beyond its means. Government deficits are out of control and public-sector debt is rising. If European governments do not use their new breathing space to control spending, financial markets will get dangerously restless again. Unfortunately, European voters and politicians are simply unprepared for the age of austerity that lies ahead.

I used to think Europe had got it right. Let the US be a military superpower; let China be an economic superpower – Europe would be the lifestyle superpower. The days when European empires dominated the globe had gone. But that was just fine. Europe could still be the place with the most beautiful cities, the best food and wine, the richest cultural history, the longest holidays, the best football teams. Life for most ordinary Europeans has never been more comfortable.

It was a great strategy. But there was one big flaw in it. Europe cannot afford its comfortable retirement.

Greece’s financial crisis is, unfortunately, an extreme example of a broader European problem. Investors have been looking nervously at debt-levels and budget deficits in Spain, Portugal and Ireland for months. But even Europe’s big four – Britain, France, Italy and Germany – are hardly immune from concern. Italy’s public debt is about 115 per cent of gross domestic product. Some 20 per cent of this needs to be rolled over during the course of 2010. Britain is currently running a budget-deficit of nearly 12 per cent of GDP, one of the largest in Europe. George Osborne, who is likely to end up as chancellor of the exchequer in the new government, has described Britain’s official economic forecasts as a “work of fiction”. The French government has not produced a balanced budget for more than 30 years. And one of the reasons for the deep bitterness in Germany at bailing out Greece, is the knowledge that Germany is already struggling to balance its own books.

It is true that the citizens of Latvia and Ireland have already swallowed actual cuts in wages and pensions. But these are both countries that have experienced real poverty in living memory, followed by massive and unsustainable booms. They know that the last few years have been a bit unreal.

As the riots on the streets of Athens illustrate, however, not all Europeans will react so stoically to deep cuts in spending. Many have come to regard early retirement, free public healthcare and generous unemployment benefits, as fundamental rights. They stopped asking, a long time ago, how these things were paid for. It is this sense of entitlement that makes reform so very difficult. As the British election has just amply illustrated, politicians are extremely reluctant to confront voters with the harsh choices that need to be made.

Yet if Europeans do not accept austerity now, they will eventually be faced with something far more shocking – sovereign debt-defaults and collapsing banks. For many Europeans that is the kind of thing that only happens in Latin America. The discovery that Latin Europe – and maybe northern Europe, too – can also hit the financial wall will come as a horrible shock.

The growth in the size and power of the EU has fed a dangerous sense of complacency. For the countries of southern and central Europe – who joined later than the inner core – “Brussels” was sold as the ultimate insurance policy. Once they were inside the EU, it was felt that war, dictatorship and poverty were safely consigned to the past. Everybody could aspire to the relatively comfortable, stable lives of the French and the Germans. For many years, it worked beautifully – as living standards shot up in countries such as Spain, Greece and Poland.

In recent years, European unity has also been marketed as an insurance policy for the founder members of the Union. Both President Sarkozy of France and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, speak of a Europe that “protects”. The idea was that a Union that spanned 27 nations was large enough to protect a unique European social model from the uncertainties of globalisation.

At the most fundamental level, the EU does indeed protect. But while Europeans no longer fear foreign armies, they are starting to fear foreign bondholders. Europe’s existence as a “lifestyle superpower” has depended on an ample supply of credit.

This weekend’s bail-out essentially extends one last, massive credit-line to those European governments that might need it. But, for all the talk of pan-European solidarity, one cost of this credit-line will be a sharp increase in political tensions within the EU. There is already much bitter talk in Greece about the loss of national sovereignty; matched only by bitter talk in Germany about the costs of bailing out feckless southern Europeans. Last week, I spoke to one much respected member of the EU establishment. He shook his head sorrowfully at the bitter recriminations between Greeks and Germans and the way the crisis has “set two peoples against each other”. This, he said, is as close as it comes to war in modern Europe.

Let us hope so. But Europeans are discovering that the “European project” provides no protection against the harshness of the outside world. Things can still go badly wrong – even within the walled garden of the European Union.

It was a great strategy. But there was one big flaw in it. Europe cannot afford its comfortable retirement.

Greece’s financial crisis is, unfortunately, an extreme example of a broader European problem. Investors have been looking nervously at debt-levels and budget deficits in Spain, Portugal and Ireland for months. But even Europe’s big four – Britain, France, Italy and Germany – are hardly immune from concern. Italy’s public debt is about 115 per cent of gross domestic product. Some 20 per cent of this needs to be rolled over during the course of 2010. Britain is currently running a budget-deficit of nearly 12 per cent of GDP, one of the largest in Europe. George Osborne, who is likely to end up as chancellor of the exchequer in the new government, has described Britain’s official economic forecasts as a “work of fiction”. The French government has not produced a balanced budget for more than 30 years. And one of the reasons for the deep bitterness in Germany at bailing out Greece, is the knowledge that Germany is already struggling to balance its own books.

It is true that the citizens of Latvia and Ireland have already swallowed actual cuts in wages and pensions. But these are both countries that have experienced real poverty in living memory, followed by massive and unsustainable booms. They know that the last few years have been a bit unreal.

As the riots on the streets of Athens illustrate, however, not all Europeans will react so stoically to deep cuts in spending. Many have come to regard early retirement, free public healthcare and generous unemployment benefits, as fundamental rights. They stopped asking, a long time ago, how these things were paid for. It is this sense of entitlement that makes reform so very difficult. As the British election has just amply illustrated, politicians are extremely reluctant to confront voters with the harsh choices that need to be made.

Yet if Europeans do not accept austerity no
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Yet if Europeans do not accept austerity now, they will eventually be faced with something far more shocking – sovereign debt-defaults and collapsing banks. For many Europeans that is the kind of thing that only happens in Latin America. The discovery that Latin Europe – and maybe northern Europe, too – can also hit the financial wall will come as a horrible shock.

The growth in the size and power of the EU has fed a dangerous sense of complacency. For the countries of southern and central Europe – who joined later than the inner core – “Brussels” was sold as the ultimate insurance policy. Once they were inside the EU, it was felt that war, dictatorship and poverty were safely consigned to the past. Everybody could aspire to the relatively comfortable, stable lives of the French and the Germans. For many years, it worked beautifully – as living standards shot up in countries such as Spain, Greece and Poland.

In recent years, European unity has also been marketed as an insurance policy for the founder members of the Union. Both President Sarkozy of France and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, speak of a Europe that “protects”. The idea was that a Union that spanned 27 nations was large enough to protect a unique European social model from the uncertainties of globalisation.

At the most fundamental level, the EU does indeed protect. But while Europeans no longer fear foreign armies, they are starting to fear foreign bondholders. Europe’s existence as a “lifestyle superpower” has depended on an ample supply of credit.

This weekend’s bail-out essentially extends one last, massive credit-line to those European governments that might need it. But, for all the talk of pan-European solidarity, one cost of this credit-line will be a sharp increase in political tensions within the EU. There is already much bitter talk in Greece about the loss of national sovereignty; matched only by bitter talk in Germany about the costs of bailing out feckless southern Europeans. Last week, I spoke to one much respected member of the EU establishment. He shook his head sorrowfully at the bitter recriminations between Greeks and Germans and the way the crisis has “set two peoples against each other”. This, he said, is as close as it comes to war in modern Europe.

Let us hope so. But Europeans are discovering that the “European project” provides no protection against the harshness of the outside world. Things can still go badly wrong – even within the walled garden of the European Union.

gideon.rachman@ft.com

media.ft.com/cms/49b0d09c-5c60-11df-9...

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Cézan schreef:

Wat zei ik ...het verval...:)
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Investors have been looking nervously at debt-levels and budget deficits in Spain, Portugal and Ireland for months.
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Many have come to regard early retirement, free public healthcare and generous unemployment benefits, as fundamental rights. They stopped asking, a long time ago, how these things were paid for.
Het verval van europa lag dacht ik in de 20e eeuw,over decennia gesproken.
En daarvoor in de middeleeuwen,over millennia gesproken.
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Het zijn inderdaad niet(alleen) speculanten,"wolfpacks" en andere smerige capitalisten(haha),maar gewoon degenlijke beleggers als Pimco,Robeco,Noors Staatsfonds en mischien wel het ABP,die de risico's van sommige eurolanden mijden en het geld van hun klanten beter proberen onder te brengen.
BV in de US of India,Zwitserland etc.
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Inderdaad.

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Positieve grondtoon blijft...toeoeoet.

kck

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kck schreef:

Positieve grondtoon blijft...toeoeoet.

Baltic +30% sinds april low:

www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticke...

Vix weer wat down.
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U.S. Bull Market Intact, Oppenheimer Says: Technical Analysis

May 11 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks’ worst weekly plunge in 14 months didn’t stop an uptrend in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index’s 150-day moving average, a sign that the bull market may last, according to Oppenheimer & Co.’s Carter Worth.

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601...

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kck schreef:

Baltic +30% sinds april low:

www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticke...
Ultieme low dit jaar imo 7 Mei-> 312 and highest 26 april 357. Kijk, daar moeten we eens een keer overheen hobbelen, zitten we eigenlijk niet zo ver van. Maar sofar, niet gek, hoor net goeie cijfers AGN, dát zal het zijn.

Czn.

Tjeezz..tán basura sucía en tu ciudad..

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Bordello!

Te bedenken dat vuilnisman een zeer gewild beroep is wegens de goede voorwaarden(soort griekse).

Nog erger is dat ze een vd mooiste bruggen afgebroken hebben en er nu geen geld meer is voor herbouw.
Tis echt erg met het bestuur hier,Cohen aardige man maar slecht bestuurder.

Gelukkig doet den beursch het beter.

Tardes
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CMB, de grote Belgische reder kwam anders met heel mooie cijfers.

Goed bericht voor Marique!
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