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geefhetstockjenogmaareenkeerdoor schreef op 9 oktober 2014 20:32:

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Ik dit en ik dat.....

Wie wie ben jij eigenlijk? Denk je dat je boven de partijen staat of zo?
DZW geeft zijn visie: denkt dat bedrijven net zo handelen als mensen: dat ze blunders proberen weg te moffelen

En dat financiele tegenvallers bij zeer grote bedrijven,gelijk bij John de Mol niet zo zichtbaar zijn als bij de kleintjes,zowel bij bedrijven als bij bij Menschen

vraag aan GHSNMEKD: hoe ziet u dat ?
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Apology

Posted by: Matt Margolis October 9, 2014

I want to apologize to the PTT subscribers who put their hard-earned money on the line by investing in GT Advanced Technologies. I made a call on GTAT. I was 100% wrong and as a result some of you lost a great deal of your wealth. I lost much of mine too. It is a painful thing. It’s especially painful to see that this experience has made some of you lose confidence, not just in me, but in yourselves as investors. That should be on me, not on you. You paid me for expertise and you had every right to expect me to guide you well. I am the one who failed, not you.

Many of you have been critical of me in the forums. Your criticism is welcome… yes, even those of you who can’t find a way to put it kindly. Especially you, because you have probably lost the most, so I owe you the most heartfelt apology. We all work hard for our money. I hope you enjoy your work as much as I enjoy my work, which right up until Monday has been to help other people grow their wealth and financial security by providing expert analysis. That’s what gets me up in the morning. But on Monday my confidence was shattered right along with your capital.

The horrible irony is that it was precisely my expertise that set me up to fail. I have been neck-deep in GTAT for five years. I saw them come back from the loss of nearly 100% of their 2010 revenue stream when the solar market dried up. I watched them buy Hyperion and develop Merlin. When Apple came along, I had no reason to believe it might be too good to be true. I knew GTAT as both a survivor and a performer that deserved Apple’s business. My long history with the company gave me every reason to believe they could deliver. Exactly how far off the mark my confidence was we may never know. But it’s clear that I succumbed to confirmation bias along the way, and it kept me from giving due weight to the warnings of analysts who we later learned knew more than I did. I failed to fully acknowledge the risks or to rebalance my assessment of risk/reward, even when my primary thesis was blown out of the water on September 9.

I am still struggling to understand GTAT’s bankruptcy filing. It was unprecedented in my experience. In 20+ years of following the market, I have never seen a company’s financial picture fall apart so completely without warning. Even Apple claims to be surprised. Financial controls are there to ensure that a company’s financial statements are accurate and complete. GTAT’s struggles to get the Mesa facility off the ground were well documented in its SEC filings, but there was never a hint that the company was at risk of bankruptcy. At worst I thought GT might issue new shares to fund operations if Mesa was not fully ramped by the end of the year. Chapter 11 was not on the mind of any analyst to my knowledge. We will learn soon enough why GTAT filed.

Certain aspects of the Forensics newsletter are going to change. First, I will begin designating my picks as Core, Momentum, Value or Speculative so that you can allocate capital in proportion to the amount of risk involved. I joined PTT after having already made public picks of MU and GTAT, and many of you became Forensics subscribers here because you were already following my blog. It is clear that some subscribers did not feel the rules of position sizing in PTT’s Methodology applied to my picks, and that may be because I did not develop the habit of giving my picks, old or new, a clear designation that would help you use the Methodology to size your positions. If this led to greater losses in your portfolio, I am deeply sorry.
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This brings me to a second, related change. I joined PTT in part because I believed my readers could become better investors and avoid costly errors by following the Methodology. It was an extremely costly error, however, not to explain it clearly and recommend it forcefully to the people who were following my work before I came to PTT. In the absence of an exhortation to manage your risk in accordance with the Methodology, my overconfidence led some of you to take risks that were inappropriate. In hindsight, it’s clear that one of my responsibilities is to exhort you not to stick your neck out but rather to stick to the rules of the Methodology. This is what we all agree to do when we join PTT, whether as analysts or subscribers. Agreeing to it and practicing it are different things, however. I feel I should reiterate what Mark Gomes has said many times: If you don’t think you are ready to follow the Methodology, please don’t subscribe. This is so important. You are going to lose money on some of my picks. If you don’t follow the Methodology, you may lose all of it. I am sorry that I did not preach the Methodology loudly from the beginning. I will be diligent to remind you of it often in the future.

I am committed to doing all I can to give you good guidance about all my picks. You may be reluctant to trust me to do so, and I completely understand. Some subscribers will leave because of the GTAT fiasco, and I can’t fault them for that. But for those of you who stay, I will work even harder, not only to provide the best available data, but also to consider all the ways in which it might be interpreted, especially if some possible conclusions undermine my investment thesis. I will focus more closely on the changing risk/reward of my picks as it changes. I want to regain and strengthen your trust and help you rebuild your portfolios one step at a time.

Sincerely,

Matt
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But please feel free to subscribe to my 300 dollar a month newsletter...

Hij moet wel flink door het stof. Maar niemand die hem nu nog gaat geloven.

"At worst I thought GT might issue new shares to fund operations if Mesa was not fully ramped by the end of the year".

Daar heb ik hem ook nog nooit over gehoord trouwens.

Bart
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Margolis zei op 30-08-2014:
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Price Target and PE Ratios

During Tuesday’s Q&A, someone asked what PE GT deserves and whether I am sticking to my $87.50 price target. I charted out GT’s forward PE based on my base and bull case estimates for 2015 and 2016 and compared it to GT’s forecasted EPS growth rate in 2016.

GT’s EPS growth in 2016 is 50% under the base case and almost 70% under the bull case.

At $87.50, GT’s forward P/E would be slightly above 40 for my 2015 base case of $2 EPS and just under 30 for my bull case scenario of $3 EPS.

Fast forward to 2016, however, and at $87.50 GT’s forward P/E would be less than 30 for the base case of $3 EPS and under 20 for the bull case of $5 EPS. Overall, I believe my price target makes a lot of sense given the fundamentals.
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geefhetstockjenogmaareenkeerdoor schreef op 9 oktober 2014 17:01:

Hier wordt geschaakt denk ik....
Misschien wil GT gewoon een betere behandeling van Apple.
In plaats van de hoer te spelen.
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The Daily Docket: Apple Supplier GT Advanced Plans to Wind Down Sapphire Business


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Patrick Fitzgerald


Apple supplier GT Advanced Technologies Inc. plans to exit the business of manufacturing sapphire after a failed effort to produce material for Apple’s smartphone screens.
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geefhetstockjenogmaareenkeerdoor schreef op 10 oktober 2014 14:20:

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Misschien wil GT gewoon een betere behandeling van Apple.
In plaats van de hoer te spelen.
Ga nou eerst je huiswerk eens doen en lees dit hele draadje alvorens commentaar te gaan geven.
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GT Advanced Technologies Inc. (GTAT) asked for bankruptcy court permission to shut down its synthetic-sapphire operations, citing terms of a contract with Apple Inc. that it called “oppressive” and “burdensome.”

GT Advanced, based in Merrimack, New Hampshire, filed for bankruptcy this week saying that it had a “severe liquidity crisis,” less than a year after announcing an agreement to supply sapphire to Apple. (AAPL) The substance is used to make screens on mobile devices more durable.

The company told a bankruptcy judge today that it was going through cash too fast and wants to halt operations by Dec. 31, at a cost of 890 jobs. GT Advanced also asked that some details of its request be kept under wraps to avoid violating confidentiality agreements.

“The cash burn at GTAT’s sapphire manufacturing operations for the benefit of Apple is not sustainable,” the company said in court papers. “The relief requested in the wind-down motion is necessitated by GTAT’s liquidity crisis and the substantial daily cash burn of in excess of $1 million with respect to such operations.”

Chris Gaither, spokesman for Cupertino, California-based Apple, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on the GT Advanced filing.

GT Advanced dropped 23 percent to $1 at 11:27 a.m. today in New York. The shares traded above $11 before the Oct. 6 bankruptcy filing.
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Wat voor belang heeft GTAT er nou bij gehad om de problemen te verzwijgen voor aandeelhouders tot het failissement? Familie en vrienden er eerst nog even uit laten?
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MaranV schreef op 10 oktober 2014 18:53:

Wat voor belang heeft GTAT er nou bij gehad om de problemen te verzwijgen voor aandeelhouders tot het failissement? Familie en vrienden er eerst nog even uit laten?
Bedrijven die failliet dreigen te gaan zullen altijd proberen om alle problemen geheim te houden, dit in de hoop dat er op het laatste moment nog een redding mogelijk is. De aandeelhouders zijn op dat moment niet meer van belang.

Dit is natuurlijk volkomen logisch, omdat als men bekend maakt dat het bedrijf in financiële moeilijkheden zit, dit tot gevolg heeft dat het bedrijf nog sneller failliet gaat omdat de leveranciers dan contant betaald willen worden en de banken hun krediet gaan bevriezen.
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schulden bij toeleveranciers ,bijv. Soitec (parijs) is zo'n toeleverancier
Heb nog geen overzicht van dit soort schuldposities
Apple is de grootste,wat wil Apple gaan doen?
Volgens analyse van DWR is feitelijk die "glasfabriek" al in handen van Apple
Ondertussen is de zeepbel van de zonbedrijven verder leeggelopen vandaag
Beetje rekenarij met de natte vinger brengt mij excl. het drama Saffier op krs van 8.(reeds eerder genoemd bij krsnivo van 12 in dit forum)

blijft over wat de directie wilde bereiken met aanvragen chapter 11 ?
En wat de oplossing wordt voor het zonbedrijf van GTAT ?
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Sapphire supplier files for bankruptcy, points to “oppressive and burdensome” conditions imposed by Apple
By Kif Leswing
51 mins ago

Summary:

Sapphire producer GTAT is looking to nullify agreements with Apple as part of its bankruptcy filing, and the company may be laying the groundwork for a future lawsuit. GTAT also plans to shut down a Mesa, Arizona plant that employs 890 workers.

Information about GT Advanced Technologies, a sapphire crystal manufacturer, has been trickling out this week since the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Monday. The latest documents, made public Friday, indicate that GT Advanced Technologies (GTAT) is planning to shut down its factory in Mesa, Arizona, as well as another facility in Salem, Massachusetts. The operations winding down will likely result in 890 GTAT employees losing their jobs.

“Only if GT winds down these operations will it be able to stop its mounting losses and re-focus its resources on the operation of its core business of selling sapphire furnaces and other products,” GTAT said in a public court filing.

Although GTAT initially constructed its business around producing solar materials, most of the latest attention focused on its best known client: Apple. The primary reason that GTAT is facing issues is its business agreements with Apple. One court filing reads: “The [Apple] agreements imposed oppressive and burdensome terms and obligations on GTAT.” Earlier this week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Apple withheld a $139 million payment from the sapphire crystal manufacturer.

GTAT is looking to terminate its agreements with Apple, and may be laying the groundwork for a future suit. “GTAT believes it has many claims against Apple arising out of its relationship with Apple,” one filing read.

What were the specific “oppressive and burdensome” terms of the agreements with Apple? They could remain secret. GTAT filed a motion to have hearings related to the bankruptcy kept closed because it could face damages to the tune of $50 million per disclosure due to a confidentiality pact with Apple. One document reads: “GTAT recognizes the unusual (and perhaps unprecedented) nature of the request in this Motion.”

In response, yesterday’s order from a judge said that while some details will remain sealed, details about the plants winding down would be public. Apple will have at least three days to review information about its dealings with GTAT that may come up during bankruptcy hearings and can request to have details barred. Details from Apple’s supplier contracts would be of intense interest not only to the parties involved in the case, but to Apple watchers worldwide, as well as Apple’s competitors. The $50 million disclosure penalty is fascinating in and of itself.
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In November 2013, Apple signed a $578 million contract with GTAT. The deal was announced by both the state of Arizona (touting 700 jobs created) as well as GTAT itself. (Apple CEO Tim Cook later confirmed the deal in an interview.) As part of the agreement, Apple built the facility and leased it back to GTAT, which owned the expensive sapphire furnaces needed to produce the material. It was widely believed that the sapphire produced by GTAT would end up covering iPhone screens.

For a while, it did look like GTAT was going to produce hundreds of millions of dollars of sapphire crystal glass for Apple. Prototypes with sapphire screens were spotted in the supply chain. Bloggers were even able to get their hands on sapphire parts which looked like real Apple components. But when the iPhone 6 was announced in September, its screen was covered by Corning Gorilla Glass, a competing product which has been the iPhone’s glass since it came out.

As it stands, GTAT may never supply sapphire crystal to Apple in meaningful quantities. Apple has said it plans to include sapphire faces on some Apple Watch models, but the sapphire-equipped watches will likely be the most expensive and produced in the lowest numbers. Sapphire crystal is currently used on the iPhone to cover the Touch ID sensor as well as the camera, but there are other sapphire producers that could be providing those parts.
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Trading In GTAT's Shares Could Be Suspended Starting on Wednesday

Chuck Jones Chuck Jones Contributor
Investing 10/13/2014 @ 11:50AM 3,060 views
GTAT Probably Heading To $0.00

It is not looking good for GT Advanced Technologies (symbol: GTAT) as it is down $0.35 to $0.46 this morning. As I wrote last night the NASDAQ has started the process to delist the shares and stop trading at the end of Tuesday. Upon digging into the bankruptcy filings GTAT doesn’t own the manufacturing site (Apple does) or the Advanced Sapphire Furnaces (ASFs) as they look to be pledged for the $439 million Apple had pre-paid GTAT for sapphire glass.

GTAT had about $85 million in cash when it filed for bankruptcy and needs about $1 million a day for its normal operations. While it can lay off a large number of people (about 900 immediately) it does need to go through a rigorous shut-down process to maximize the value of the sapphire glass it has in process and the Advanced Sapphire Furnaces.

I would take with a large grain of salt the statement from Tom Gutierrez, GTAT’s CEO, that ‘GT has a strong and fundamentally sound underlying business. Today’s filing (meaning Monday, October 6) does not mean we are going out of business; rather, it provides us with the opportunity to continue to execute our business plan on a stronger footing, maintain operations of our diversified business, and improve our balance sheet.’

To me that is the type of boilerplate language a CEO has to say to try and maintain as much value to the business as possible. In talking with an industry contact a key tipoff to him is having Rothschild involved in the process. He would not be surprised if the bankruptcy filing changes from a Chapter 11 (on-going business) to Chapter 7 (liquidation) as he doesn’t think the company can get Debtor-In-Possession financing since Apple either owns or has GTAT’s equipment as collateral. Apple may be the only organization that would be willing to provide it.

Balance sheet composition

In looking at GTAT’s June 2014 10-Q it had $1.5 billion in Assets. The largest components to it were:

Property, Plant & Equipment for $611 million (largely pledged to Apple)
$325 million of the $611 million was construction in process so probably not worth $325 million
Cash of $333 million (down to $85 million and shrinking)
Other assets of $197 million (largest portion was $49 million in inventory)
Inventories of $133 million ($100 million in raw materials)
Intangible assets $94 million (probably going to $0)
Goodwill of $57 million (probably going to $0)

Of the $1.3 billion in Liabilities the largest components were:

$307 million in pre-payment obligations (probably contains a portion of the $434 million in convertible notes)
$294 million in convertible notes
$185 million in accounts payables
$173 million in deferred revenue (cash has already been received)

Apple was not listed as one of the 30 largest unsecured creditors (the largest one being U.S. Bank in Minneapolis but it is more than large enough to weather this and it may have syndicated the loans), which is another indication that Apple has a senior position. Apple also owns the manufacturing site and was leasing it to GTAT. This explains Apple’s statements that it is talking to state and local officials about what could be done in the future to maintain the use of it. Apple may become an unwilling manufacturer of sapphire glass or try and partner with another company.
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Comment: For Apple This Risks Getting Messy Quickly

Where guilt lies in this dispute is something for the courts to decide, but the ramifications for Apple – regards of the outcome – could be significant from both business and brand perspectives.

The former is immediately most significant as the contents of the confidentiality agreement with GT will be revealed in full once the court hearing begins on Wednesday. Should any terms be contested by the court it has the potential to call into question Apple’s wider agreements nationally and internationally and opens up the famously secretive company up to even greater public scrutiny.

From a public relations perspective Apple will be loathe to face further inquest after the scandal over labour practices at major manufacturing partner Foxconn reflected badly upon it in recent years. The timing is also unfortunate as Apple has been keen to stress a greater investment in its US workforce in general and within Texas in particular where it builds the Mac Pro.

In addition there is the strong possibility that the court hearing will unveil Apple’s plans for GT’s sapphire, including whether it was planned for the iPhone and iPad. Up until now Apple has only confirmed sapphire for the upcoming Apple Watch, but the size of Apple’s financial investment in GT suggests its ambitions were far greater than small sapphire fascias which are already abundantly available in the watch industry.

All of which means many questions remain. I suspect Apple hopes most will remain unanswered.

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Van GTAT held en kenner Bob die een koers einde jaar voorspelde van 25 dollar is ook nooit meer wat vernomen of wel?

Niet echt scherp gezien uiteraard. 25 cent zou nog wel kunnen :-)

Ik heb een chapter 11 overigens ook niet zien aankomen. ZR heeft daarmee bij mij een hoop krediet sindsdien.
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